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Bakari
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Posted By Bakari

Whether history teaches us to be optimistic or pessimistic is only a matter of when and where you choose to look.

There have been wars at least as long as there has been civilization - which of course continues to today.
Empires have risen, Persian, Chinese, Mongolian, Ottoman, Aztec, Inca, British, USSR.
Some lasted for centuries, some covered the majority of the world (that the culture knew of).
Every one of them fell, for one reason or another, eventually.

That could give hope that the US, which is extending influence both culturally, politically, and militarily throughout the world, will inevitably follow - but its seems obvious that it will be replaced by another - no matter the ideals in begins in, it will inevitably grow corrupt. They all do.

In the 3rd century BC the Egyptian library/museum at Alexandria contained the collected knowledge of the Egyptian and Greek civilizations, the largest in the world. While the circumstances of its destruction are debated, it was apparently due to some combination of war and religious fundamentalism.

The civilizations of the Mediterranean created, among other things, plumbing, calculus, and democracy (but only for white male property owners) - and at the hight of the Roman Empire, a popular spectator sport involved watching humans fight to the death, and eventually flooding the coliseum to create mock sea battles - but with real weapons - for the entertainment of government and the wealthy.
In the Dark Ages, as Rome fell, much of the infrastructure was allowed to fall to ruins, and everything from libraries to aqueducts was lost - along with the education and intellectual development that had accompanied it, and much already acquired knowledge and technology was lost.
Then came about the forced conversion of people in Europe, Asia, and Africa to Christianity and Islam, as well as wars between the two (the Crusades) - ultimately spreading throughout the world, and, of-course, lasting to the present.
Europe's renaissance consisted largely of no more than the re-discovery of things which had been previously known, but lost.


For every Ghandi there has been a Hitler and a Mussolini. For every Roosevelt and Carter we've had a Regan, A Bush, and a Bush Jr. Lenin's "people's revolution" turned quickly into Stalin's purges.
Che failed to start a revolution, and after all of Chavez's work, today immigrants still work in pesticide laden fields for far less than minimum wage while middle class Americans with far more comfortable lives advocate criminalizing them for it.

For all the noise the anti-war movement made, American troops pulled out because the North Vietnamese won.
In fact, the non-violent success Ghandi seemingly had happened to be at a time when the British Empire was already in decline with Canada, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Egypt, and Iraq becoming officially fully independent in (or around) 1931, and their military over extended worldwide - a guerrilla war with Ireland, the aftermath of WWII, and calls (and actions) for independence throughout the British Empire in Asia, Africa, and the Americas. For 40 years India had sought independence, but it was not until these - often violent - worldwide events came along that it was finally granted.
Then, almost immediately, (as British representatives had predicted) the country split, and the potentially violent stand-off between newly formed Pakistan and India (both of which have nukes) has lasted to this day. So much for non-violence.

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2 Comment(s):
sam said...
oh forgot, yea evil will always have first move (unless you stay alert and intercept it first) after all its evil. the roman games were for the rabble not the rich, rich put them on to control the poor, they also handed out food/clothes/money to get votes. vietnam---what a democrate disaster , americans had to stay in vietnam while enemy could use laos and cambodia which is very near the capital. media never told american people that north vietnam regs were in the south. they showed on occasion the same plane crash over and over. how did n. vietnam have more anti aircraft guns than germany in ww2, how did they pay for it? why did media put them up as poor backward country? they never reported russian soldier advisers. why harbors were not mined to prevent military supplies comming in (they did not have to build roads to china)? the n.vietnam attack on tek was a total defeat for them but was treated as a defeat for the us by media... the only torchers reported by media was on them but not what they did to the s.vietnam people and americans. the american military was in a very sad state from defense cuts the use of small cal. ammo was disaster at first...remember and you can quote me, defense cut spell out more of our children killed until we catch up..in korea the american ww2 bazooka would bounch of the russian tanks plus they had no heavy guns it was a turkey shoot for them. then there was nixon...he mined the harbors they then came to the table...which they violated later under ford who decided to let them have it, even though americans were still there and all the s. vetnam soldiers that were loyal and the mountain peoples who were our allies we deserted. the boat people we deserted. where did the protest money come from?
June 4, 2009 7:04 PM
 
sam said...
i find it interesting that all this civilization thing happened in the oil gulf...there are few trees to bake hard brick like the shummerians did...they used oil..they used it as cement for their bricks..the bible tell us they had great furances to bake brick, hollywood seems and history channel seems to have left this out. romans used slavs mostly for slaves this is where the word comes from...egypt did not care what color slaves were..as for north africa blacks did not move into this area until later if my memory is correct...muslems invaded this area, the deal was mom was a slave but children were free muslems..evenually some black tribes became arabic and major slave raiders. the languge of africa was the slave raiders slang. i understand that the muslem slave raids on irland, england europe lead to the building of the first english fleet..about 5million were brought to north africa as slaves.
June 4, 2009 6:22 PM
 
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